Kevin Riddle: From Overwhelm to Authenticity

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Hey, everybody. Welcome to an episode of How to Be a Real One Percenter. This is a podcast where we're redefining what it means to be a one percenter. No more the obsessive, driven, at all costs, success in one area; this is more about how to love our life. To be a real one percenter, it's about the quality and the experience of our life, and that includes both success and also just are we enjoying the ride and how happy are we?

Today, I've got a very special guest, Kevin. Kevin, I really want to say firstly, thank you for being on the podcast. I appreciate you making the time, and we go back a ways. I'm just really, really pleased that you're here, so thanks for coming.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Yeah, thanks, Sridhar. I feel actually pretty honoured and privileged to be on here today because if I was really honest, I wouldn't consider myself as a one percenter or something that you'd want to bring on this podcast. But I'll leave that for you to make that decision. For me, it's always been about trying to get the best out of myself and being the real person that I am, and so I'm really excited about today and sharing my story.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: I know why you said that, but I'm glad you said it that way, Kevin, because to me, the real one percent is a pathway, not necessarily a destination. For me, a real one percenter is somebody dedicated to living their genuine life, and man, that's you, right? The conversations we have are not easy at times. I've often said we may do a lot of courageous things in our life, but the most courageous thing we'll ever do is actually hold up a mirror and be willing to look inside. When I look at the consistency that you've done that... in a moment, we're going to find out some of the things that you've been through when you came, but you had many opportunities where you could have run from that, and you never have.

It's been five years now. We were just discussing before today that we've been having our conversations for five years, and absolutely, you've been dedicated to that one percent pathway. It's been a joy for me to see what's come out of that for you in all aspects of your life—business, personal, and everything. But let's just go back and build it up. I'm looking forward to people hearing your story, and I know there's a lot to learn from you in terms of what you've applied.

So, the first question I have for you is really: what was your life like when you arrived to work with me and expand and start your real one percent journey? What were things like?

KEVIN RIDDLE: Well, we'll get onto this probably a little bit later, because there are some things we've even discussed in the last few months around the fact that things have happened in my life, and I've got friends that have said, "Geez, Kev, things are always happening for you." But at that time, it was probably quite a real intense time. I was probably only 12 or 15 months after my dad had been taken in a pretty tragic way. He had actually been murdered, and so it had been a pretty crazy ride, and almost like an out-of-body experience. You're sort of looking at life going, "Wow, this is kind of crazy."

There'd been court cases, and to be honest, there was putting strains on the marriage. Also, I had found out that my house that we were starting to renovate had bad EQC repairs on it, and all that sort of stuff.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: For people out of Christchurch, that means after the earthquakes in Christchurch, EQC came in when your house was what we called "munted," Kevin, right? Your house had a lot of problems. Just for people that... I'm sure most New Zealanders would know EQC, but just to make sure.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Yeah, and it was crazy because we'd already repaired one house and bought another one, thinking that it had already been repaired, and unfortunately, those repairs weren't great. So we're doing that, and then, to be honest, I was starting to... probably didn't realise at the time, but was really in a struggle with what was going on with running the business, because I'd been out of it quite a bit. At the time, I was leading the business, and a lot was going on, and I felt completely overwhelmed.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And we should probably let the viewers know that you are co-owner of Computer Culture, which is quite a successful IT service. I know that you've... what I get from what you and your business partner, Craig, are about is just real genuine care for the people you serve, your staff—just a really great company. So just let everyone know that that's your... when you say "the business," it's a very significant business that you started. 17?

KEVIN RIDDLE: Yeah, just turned 17 on the 1st of October, actually. We started the 1st of October 2007, and it was just Craig and I then, but we've grown it to a team of 27. We look at business clients and are essentially their external IT department. And yeah, we're really proud. We've got some amazing people working for us. And look, people are what's the centre of our business. In fact, one of our core values is that we really care about people, and we're really fortunate to have an amazing team that go out and attempt to do that for our clients as well.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, you aptly named your business too, because a lot of people give lip service to that type of "we care" type thing, but you guys really do. We work in the area of business as well as your personal life, and so I've seen first-hand what you do. So, it's great. And so, you talked about some challenges that were going on at the time. What was life like? I remember it was quite a stressful time for you.

KEVIN RIDDLE: I think you keep joking about, Sridhar, the fact that you've got this image of me putting my feet up on a desk or lying on a beach at some point, but that was just so far from where I was at that time. I think we talked about... there was a saying I used to say every time I met you was going, "Oh man, I've just got so much on my plate." And it seemed to be a rhetoric. And knowing now too, I was confirming that every time I was saying it to you in my mind... as we'll get to a little bit later, I didn't realise that possibly now, that I was creating that thing.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: I mean, to be fair, Kevin, if most people looked at what you were dealing with, they would agree that you had a lot on your plate, right? It's not that you didn't, it was just what... I think what I'm really looking forward to getting into in this conversation is what did you discover about that? And I think you're getting very... I think you've probably got your feet on the table at times now, because you definitely see much more.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Definitely starting to... I've definitely offloaded a lot. And really, when I say offloaded, it's more just my perception of the world now and myself, and taking away a whole bunch of veils that we put in front of ourselves that we don't have any idea about. Of course, over my time in my life, I've done personal development things, and it's always been about trying to be the best person I can.

It was behind my story, and it's probably appropriate to go back to then. Look, I think it was around six or seven that a really tiny event happened from an adult's perspective. My mum and dad separated when I was pretty young. Back in the seventies, that was still pretty rare. At school—even though it was a tiny school in Diamond Harbour—we were probably the only family where Mum was an only parent.

So there was this element of being different. Mum said that I was this kid that was really easy, really joyful, happy, and all that sort of stuff, and said that I was a really good boy. So that probably tied in beautifully. One morning, I went up—and back then, you weren't meant to get out of bed and stuff—and I went up and sneaked out to play with some toys. And I thought, "Oh, it's getting about the time everyone was going to wake up," so I sneaked back downstairs with this toy to play with in my bed.

And I dropped it down the stairs, and it went crashing down. I had no idea why, but had this sudden feeling of, "Oh my goodness, I've just woken everybody up. And I'm going to get into heaps of trouble." Of course, I didn't. Mum came out, and if I remember, I sat on the stairs and I was bawling my eyes out. But in my mind, in the visual thing that I did, I was suddenly this "bad boy."

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: You had decided it.

KEVIN RIDDLE: I'd decided it. And so, man, I just had no idea that then up until we met five years ago, my whole life was defined by that. It just happens... it happens in stealth. And so the rest of my life, probably from that point onwards, was about proving to everyone that I was this good boy.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And by stealth, I'm assuming you're meaning you had no idea it happened. And it's running your life.

KEVIN RIDDLE: I had no idea. It's that whole thing like when I learnt to drive a manual car: foot off the accelerator, foot on the clutch, change gear... you think about those things. But this stuff was just all happening just automatically. There's no conscious thought about it. It's just happening underneath.

And so, what blew me away... all of my life is that. I really took that "being a good boy" to another level. I think what we discovered, or you helped me discover, was that that "good boy" turned into trying to be the superhero.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah. The bad boy, you mean the one that decided he was bad.

KEVIN RIDDLE: That's right.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Just to put a little context for people that may be watching this and not have any background: we deal with something in the work, which is the realm of "what we don't know we don't know." When I had my turnaround in life, I got hungry to turn my life around. But a lot of the stuff that I was learning wasn't actually giving me the result that I was looking for. Then I just got really committed. I started to find that things that really worked weren't necessarily popular.

I think that's what you're saying here: you didn't know that dropping the toy down the stairs that day created a whole identity for you. You went from this good, joyful boy to somebody who just decided in yourself—didn't realise you decided it—that sitting on the stairs crying is an important moment because you decided something that day and created an identity.

What I'd love to find out is what was the sort of impact? From that point, how did it impact you from when you were five up until the time we started to discover it?

KEVIN RIDDLE: Well, it's interesting. I look back on it now. I thought I knew myself really well. We talked about a whole number of things about knowing about myself, but had no idea this thing was going on underneath.

Through the questioning and what was going on and where I was feeling at the moment, I came to that realisation that I was coming out of this "bad boy" thing and I was a superhero. But at that moment that I realised that's what I was doing, it suddenly was pretty impactful for me as well. I suddenly realised—because part of being the good boy was my integrity was really important to me about being genuine—that I was doing everything for everybody else. I started questioning everything that I'd done up to that point in time; it felt like I didn't know myself.

It was a crazy experience. I remember saying... and I think the word that was used was this "blueprint." I could just see, and suddenly this moment of coming to this realisation that all the stuff that I was doing was doing for everyone else. It wasn't actually me being my true self.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Part of the work, Kevin, is that we actually create—before we even know that it happens—a story about who we are. It's in moments of time, like that moment with the toy on the stairs. It's a moment where there's a real heightened awareness and like a real fear. In order to protect ourselves from experiencing the pain of that, we actually create a story or identity about who we believe ourselves to be.

We actually don't know we've done that. So we just say, "This is me," or "Oh, that's just my personality." And you'll know now it's not. Once we believe that story, it impacts every aspect of our life.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Everything.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Everything, right? When you said earlier you're a little surprised to be invited on the Real One Percenter call, I just remember it, Kevin, because you didn't do things by halves. I remember you coming and saying, "I saw this blueprint of my entire life." A lot of times people get that a lot more gently and we take one story at a time. But you obviously wanted to be your genuine self a hundred percent.

KEVIN RIDDLE: It wasn't easy. The reaction was freezing.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: You looked into the mirror quite intently, let's just say. But look, what an amazing journey to be able to share. So, you saw this blueprint, you saw, "Hey, I just created a motive. I thought I was a bad boy when I wasn't." Then you said you just started living the rest of your life to try to prove that you were a good boy and a superhero so everybody would think you were good. And you woke up to that quite suddenly in your case. So take us from the journey from there.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Looking back now, incredible gift. Because even though I probably looked at it initially going, "Oh my goodness, I've been a fake for the last 42 years or whatever it was at the time," and giving myself a bit of a hard time. For quite a period after that, I felt completely lost because you suddenly went from an operating model that you had for your whole life to suddenly going, "Actually, what are the things I love doing?"

A lot of the things I think I was doing previously was to prove to everyone about what it was. So, did I like the things that I did for enjoyment? Did I want to be the business owner anymore? We'll talk a little bit about that as well.

It was an incredible gift because following on from there, I really got back and authentic. At that point of time, I was at a real crossroad. Because I wanted to be the best dad, the best person, the best husband and all the rest of it... because of the motive and the way I was doing it, there were definitely aspects of that, but there was a whole lot of stuff on it that was creating issues as well.

I guess the way I perceived that I was being all these good people actually wasn't. It was actually creating issues. One of the ones about being a superhero is: to be a superhero, things have to be going really bad. That's when superheroes come in, right? And actually, that part has only just really in the last four or five months realised the impact on that. It was this massive weight on my shoulders because I had to feel like I had to do everything.

Like, I probably wasn't leading at times. I'm really proud of the business we created. But at times, I probably wasn't leading the business really well because I felt I had to do everything. And that caused problems as well because you don't delegate. Our business was growing, and so I ended up stymieing my own business.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: That's a really profound thing you're saying, Kevin, because a lot of people will be doing it. We have a story that we're doing it. It's not just "we're growing a business." We're doing it so we can look good. And then what you just said is absolute gold: that we can stymie, because the initial hard work leads to growth. But then what do you do? You've now got more to do. You're just that one person. But so it started to create some stresses.

KEVIN RIDDLE: It was creating so many stresses, and that's why I was saying to you, "My plate was so full." But actually, I was just doing it to myself to fulfil my story. And so, yeah, unfortunately, a really great gift at that time. But not long afterwards, it led to my marriage coming to an end.

And then also going, "Hey, look, I thought I was doing the business for my family, for everybody else." And then going, "Actually, is this the right thing for me going forward?" So, what was really great, though, as a gift out of that... Yet I had to work through tidying up some of these things that had now got a bit of a mess. But it actually was a really great gift. Now looking back on it, we were able to look at the business and go, "Actually, what did I want from it?"

So, you and I and Craig got together and reconnected about why we even started Computer Culture and got back to the roots of what it was. We looked at our vision and what we wanted to create out of a business. And it was then suddenly—it was not easy because going through all those things—but also, it was a really good feeling getting back into actually the reasons why and connecting with that.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: It is so interesting, because I have something to do with your business in terms of how we've been working with that, you and Craig and me. It led to a lot of changes in what you got, what you're bringing to it. It's like the original vision didn't change, but you've just... it's 2.0, isn't it? Craig got on board with it and you guys just got really genuine about the way you wanted to do it. And it's not a restart, but it's like you have the foundation. What I watch with you two, what's really inspiring is that in bringing your genuine, more genuine selves to it, your roles have changed and the whole thing. It's really just got a great dynamic energy to it.

KEVIN RIDDLE: And look, I'm really grateful for the work that you've done with Craig and I, but also to Craig and the team that I've got at Computer Culture. It wasn't easy for them. I don't underestimate... yeah, it was a bit of a rough road for me, but also it was creating some real problems at work. And I guess that just shows the culture and the most incredible people that we've got at our business is they hang in there as well. They kept saying, "Hey, look, this is the Kev," but I didn't know who it was at that point in time. I was trying to learn who this new Kev 2.0 was. And of course, they were having to go through that ride as well.

But everyone... even though there wasn't, there were certainly some easy moments, but we've now got to a pretty amazing place where we really want to take the business now. And we've got a really amazing team of people. We're really clear about what we are as a business. It's a business that we all want to be proud of and pretty exciting about the future and where we're heading at the moment.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And it's all new and expansive and new territory. An interesting question might be: if you hadn't changed, if that Kevin that bad the motives of looking good and all that... what's your best look at where would Computer Culture have gone if you hadn't changed?

KEVIN RIDDLE: It's a really good question, Sridhar. I don't think it would have been a great outcome, to be honest. I was getting to the point where I was beyond myself. I knew things weren't right. It was coming to quite a crescendo. I think it could have easily been disastrous for the business and left me in a really burnt-out place.

So, look, I guess one of the other things, too, is I'm really... one of the other gifts probably in the ones that we've been talking a little bit more about recently. There's things now, too, is that I've got a real sense of when things aren't right. I think this discovery that had an understanding around my story... it still keeps coming up, right? But also the great gift now is when things don't feel right, when they feel off-centre, I really investigate that now and are really excited about what might come out of it. I know a lot of the times when things aren't going right for a lot of people, you think things are bad, things aren't great. And we look at that negatively. But actually, I'm starting to really embrace the fact that when things aren't going right, I really love that, too, because there's so much learning that comes out of it.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: That's like such a powerful thing, because most of us look at things are going good, things are going bad. When they're going good, we get on a high. When they're going bad, we get on a low.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Rollercoaster.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: A definite rollercoaster. But how powerful is it when you say, "Things don't appear to be going well, what's the gift in that for me?" Then everything is a win, right? And you just said something powerful: if you start looking forward to those things, who can stop you? But what happens to most of us is, "Oh, that's disappointing." And it just throws up a roadblock and it slows us down or, unfortunately, a lot of people give up at that stage. So, you risk really giving us some gold nuggets.

One of the constructs that I work with is that innately in us, in each human being, we have a desire. It's human nature to want to live our greatest lives. I often ask people: if you think about, say, you took a quiet moment when you get up in the morning and you just really look at your innermost thoughts, which of these three most closely resembles your innermost dominant thinking?

Option one: "I want my life to be just a bit worse than it was yesterday." Option two: "I don't want anything to change." Or option three: "I just want to have a bit more." Like whatever's important to me. If it's a relationship, I want to have a bit more connectedness. I want to have closer friendships. I want to have more business success or wealth.

I think we can all see from that... I've asked that question to a lot of people and everybody says, "Well, obviously it's number three, right? We want to grow." And I say that we have a propensity, it's human nature to want to grow and to have the most fulfilment in life that we can—not just success, but to be happy.

So, what would you say? What's one thing that comes to mind that you would most want to share with people viewing or listening to this podcast who say, "You know what? I want to live my greatest life"?

KEVIN RIDDLE: Yeah. So, you're absolutely right. I'm aware that my story's there and it's something I need to work on daily anyway. So from that perspective, that number three, absolutely. I want to grow and learn more about how I can enhance that story or remove that veil of that story to become more genuine myself.

One of the things that I'm working on at the moment is around some creations that I'm doing around what we're doing with the business. And so in the morning, I really connect to and visualise where I want to be with some of those things. Also, I got some changes going on in our new relationship and we've just brought the families together. So that's been a big step for us as well. But have these creations of what I want it to look like and create... and so in the morning, it's a process of visualising that and understanding where I'm at.

I probably didn't realise how powerful that was and actually going through the process. I thought initially it would work well just by lying on bed and visualising, closing my eyes. There's definitely an aspect to that, but it's incredible. I think it relates to hearing some famous people or sports people writing their goals and putting them on the top of the wall. That process of writing down and seeing where you've got to from the day beforehand or what you've achieved recently by going, "Actually, where am I at right now and what are the next steps I can do?" That's something that I'm really... I'm not perfect at it, don't get me wrong, but it's something that's becoming a day-to-day routine for me.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: So, you'd suggest that for people. Basically, just to help people put the context: so what we work with is that you first of all get genuine about what you want. So that's always the first thing: what you want is really what you want. So that's not influenced by the story. We say that you know that because you really feel it, you get a moment of clarity and inspiration.

And then the process is once you do that, then the visualisation is like you get yourself into a feeling place of having it. I work with athletes in that and there's training, you know, when they go for winning the race... actually visualise every single frame of it. So it's getting to the feeling place and that's what's really important.

And then, the part about what you said of "where you are now"... so it's a process where you gauge the progress, whether it be small or big. One of the reasons is because the mind—what we term as the ego mind or the resistant mind—naturally wants to focus or is conditioned to focus on what's going wrong and what we haven't done yet. This is a process of going, "Hey, every single day, something is going forward."

KEVIN RIDDLE: It's such an incredible feeling. I've always been really good at visualising things and seeing where I can go. That has come reasonably naturally. But that second part especially is writing down. It is such a... it's incredible the impact that it has on me going, "Hey, I'm actually heading towards where I want to go. Because look what I did yesterday from my action list. I've now done something."

And it could be somedays you do more than others, but even just knowing on those days where you go, "Oh man, I probably wasn't as effective yesterday as I thought I was going to be," but there was always something that you can do and go, "Oh man, I'm actually... don't be hard on yourself." You can then look at it and go, "Wow! I've actually taken another step forward towards that vision and that creation that I want to have."

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, it's bringing up that one of the things we talk about is the importance in power of focusing. And what that does is put the focus on what you're doing, not what you're not doing. By putting the focus on what you're doing and what's happening going right, then are you experiencing... oh, I know you are... you're experiencing that it's growing more of you building the momentum towards getting to the outcomes that you want.

So very interesting, Kevin, cause I know you've applied so many different things. People come to the work here and they want this piece of it or they want that piece of it. One of the reasons I've asked you to come here is you want it all. You wanted every piece of it, right? And you've applied yourself accordingly. I find it really interesting that that's the part that you picked out. It's very inspiring to me because you've done so much work on story and on connecting with who you genuinely are. So I'm quite inspired to hear what you would share with people is the visualisation and recognition process of that, because it is powerful.

But it also shows me how far you've come. And it's all about being proactive and what you're wanting to create. Because a lot of times when people hear about stories, it's frightening to them, right? Because it's a frightening thing to think "I may not be being my genuine self, and I may be doing what I'm doing because I have motives for doing it." But we all do. That's just the way it's part of human life. And I think what I'm really appreciative that you're bringing out is that we don't know that that process happened.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Certainly. So that one is really important and it seems to be a one that I'm... cause you know, like all these things, it's about them becoming more of a habit around how you do things on a daily basis.

There's been a couple others as well that have been really important to me, but probably come more automated in my life. The turnarounds were massive at the start and at times probably struggled with them, but they're the ones that were probably the most significant around suddenly getting to realising where I was and actually coming to the realisation of my story.

So, questioning everything that's going on, the reasons why you did stuff, and the emotional charge. So I'm really aware now that when I have an emotional charge, I'm now going, "Okay, what's going on here, Kev? What part of my life or story is coming up for me now?"

And the other one is... and that's even for how I deal with other people. When you start seeing in other people as well, when they have the emotion, is actually being really kind to them because...

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: They're having a story.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Yeah, that's right. And I think the big thing is that we often get really upset about other people about what they do. But actually, I'm really clear and aware these days that it's actually nothing about ourselves. And of course I was probably the one that did that the worst. You get emotional charge from someone. I thought, again, it fitted into my story of being a bad person.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah. And so it was made about...

KEVIN RIDDLE: So I made it about myself. But it was a really strong feeling. So, living my life on a daily basis allows us to be really kind and genuine towards people. But also, it allows me now, what we talked about before, of also realising when some things are happening around, I go, "Okay, cool, what's going on now? What's the new adventure of understanding what I can learn about myself or get more from being this genuine person that I really want to be and authentic person?"

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Wow. That just put the whole thing into context. When you mentioned turnarounds, I'll talk a little bit about what that is in the recap so people can understand what was that turnaround process and what you're speaking. But what we can obviously see here, Kevin, is the impact that it's had. I want to thank you because I think we've got a real understanding of the different things that you've experienced along the way.

So that'll pretty much bring us to a wrap, but is there anything else you'd want to say to someone that's watching or listening to this in terms of the journey?

KEVIN RIDDLE: It's a really good question. Something that just popped into my mind right now is, look, I first want to say thank you. I'm really grateful our paths crossed. But the big thing for me is that I would love... if someone hearing the story hears things that may resonate with them... look, I would really suggest they go for it and start discovering this as well. And I know that if they could be start embracing some of these tools and learning about themselves and realising that we all have these veils, then I genuinely do... I'd love to see other people benefit from this as well.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, Kevin, that means a lot to me that you said that on this podcast. If I can just share something, cause you've opened the door to allow that... when I came through—so I had a dark time in my life, my teens and in my early to mid-twenties—and I had a wakeup call, an epiphany that life didn't have to be that way. And I started looking for things, you know, teachers, and I went to the library, I went to the bookshop, and I started learning and reading. A lot of it just sounded really good, but it didn't work. And I got super committed. I'm like, "No, I'm going to live my greatest life."

And you know now when you get committed to something, things show up for you. And I started to find just the most amazing teachers, right? They weren't necessarily the most popular and they started to show up in my life. And I started to learn things that were actually making a difference. It's been that way for now for 30 years that it's continued.

It means a lot to me that you said that... we didn't put you up to that at all... but look, this whole thing is I want people to be able to have that in their life. And that's why we're doing the podcast. That's why I've asked you to take your time on a Saturday morning to come and share, because I would love everyone to wake up to who they truly are. It's my mission and to live their greatest life. So, it means a lot to me. Thank you for saying that.

It makes a big difference, doesn't it? In your life. It's not about me or the work because there's a lot of things going into the work.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Look, I know that I've still got a long way to go, but you know, life's pretty exciting for me at the moment. As I said about the business, but also I'm with someone that really resonates and life's pretty great at the moment. It has its challenges when you bring families together and that sort of stuff, but it also has made that a lot easier because having these talks on board meant, "Oh, well, you can pick up the things where you would normally go 'oh crap, things are going bad,' but actually, you can keep things in the context and genuine of what they're supposed to be rather than what they can end up being when you're going through those challenging times as well."

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Good on top of you. Well, that's just been so inspiring, Kevin. Just to see you here and what you're doing with your life is super inspiring. So I just want to end with saying, hey, thank you very much for coming and for giving your time for sharing with all of us. This has just been so much gold. I'm going to go, "There's a lot of gold in this one that we're going to pan through and get." Just thank you very much for your openness, honesty, for who you are, what you bring. And thanks for sharing it with us today, Kevin, really appreciate you being here.

KEVIN RIDDLE: Thanks Sridhar. It's been great. Thanks.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, thank you for watching or listening. And we look forward to seeing you on the next How to Be a Real One Percenter podcast.